Want to point to you RIse that the current Fleet phoon with PROJECTILES outdamages the tempest with projectiles. That is sad.. and I did not even factor in the better slot layout of the typhoon.


BOTH the normal and fleet tempest must be more dangerous for a ship with DOUBLE damage bonus. Currently it cannot outdamage the typhoon, maelestrom, Hyperion, Megatron, armageddon in basiccally ANY relevant range !


The tempest current layout + bonus combination is HORRIBLE! IT you insist on keepign it then it would need to gain at LEAST 100/125 drone bay to match what the typhoon do with 1 single bonus!

navy hype? loose the tank bonus replace with a rof bonus? (like a big Exequror navy issue)

abaddon? more low slots?

rokh?
optimal range and rof bonus but also add more mid slots to make up for lost ehp from no resist bonus

mael?
damage bonus and falloff (make it a super alpha beast!)

Kindly shut up, seriously.... infact, just stop posting.

It was a crappy idea when you posted it in the T1 Battleship thread, it's still a crappy idea now. Go fly a Rokh if your have that much of a hard-on for a shield hybrid boat.

That would be the same as a trcking bonusthat also reduces signature of guns. The mechanics exist on both types of weapon systemes..

Explosion velocity bonus are not weak if the ship has a high enough base DPS.

Just missiles are very hard to balance.. they get very weak very fast agaisnt fast moving targets... or they stay too powerful against slow targtets.

I just want to know who's arguing for the tempest fleet issue. I thought we had pretty much agreed that the tempest was a subpar ship that has a tiny niche between the typhoon fleet issue and the maelstrom.

Unimpressive drone bay, tight when fitting 1400's, even with double bonused turrets doesn't put out impressive damage, it just seems uninspired. Find something this ship can do that sets it apart, we don't need a sub par armor maelstrom with utility highs that it can't fill without fitting mods. Honestly, if the typhoon fleet issue had more powergrid it would kick the tempest around the block in every role it could possibly fill and be more flexible to boot.

i absolutely support you here.
im frustrated reading 20 pages about wether CNR is now always better or just sometimes better than before, or whineing it isnt btter than a golem any more.
if id ever heard anyone saying the new fleet pest is no longer batter than a vargur id be mad happy cause it would mean its somewhere on a level where you could actualy think of compareing those ships without beeing utterly drunk and high the same time.

Well, yes I knew it was a significant base DPS drop. It's also a pretty substantial alpha increase and the tracking 'problem' was intentional. ;-)

-Liang

It was a rhetorical post. It's a nerf (sorta). With the proposed change it went from 10 effective turrets to 9 effective turrets with better tracking. He was trying to prove a point about the CNR losing dps with the proposed bonus change.

Neuts are useful, but not at thep price of tank And firepower. Also neutralizing is armageddon role now. You waste your time with any other ship if neutralizing is so important.

Now I don't think you get what "tier" means. It implies a heirarchy.

So which is best out of Attack and Combat?